Thursday, March 26, 2009

What would you do if you were proven wrong?

I am a Christian and I wondered what people of other beliefs would do. I know that I would probably go into denial, living on the vain hope that humans had once again made a mistake. To me, a world with no God is a world with no hope. In evolution, there is no room for souls, or an afterlife. We are simply an accident of science, and in comparison to the scheme of things, we exist only for a moment. Our sole purpose is to further the existence of our species. We live, we reproduce, we die. No room for love or real meaning in our own existence. Humans would never have known perfect love, because the Christian story would be a fairy tale. There would be no such thing as perfection, and no heroes. If I accepted the information I had been presented with, I would most likely try to do the best I could to impact the world, or just give up.


I imagine it would be just as hard for anybody else to give up their belief.
What would you do if you were proven wrong?
%26quot;A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.%26quot; Ben Franklin
What would you do if you were proven wrong?
I am a Christian also and I am right there with you. I think the first thing I would do would be to go out and get a gun....i think you get the point
Reply:I think that to many things in this life fit together perfectly, even down to the molecular level that its hard not to believe that someone or something created it.





Although there is no %26quot;scientific proof%26quot; id like to think that theres always someone there for me to fall back on, whether its true or not, i dont know. but its nice to have something to believe in.





if i was scientifically proven wrong somehow, i would have to accept it, i wouldnt be indenial about it but i wouldnt entirely give up on God.
Reply:Accept the fact and let it go. Even if we were the product of evolution, it is not true that there is no room for soul, love, and purpose. We humans create our purpose: to know as much as we can about this world and only if we serve that purpose do we lose hope.





There is room for love for even Atheists ans Agnostics hold it so near to their heart. Yes, it could be explained by science but you cannot describe how you feel.





There would still be perfection for that is what we strive for. God or no God, we humans will not falter for we now know how we were but now we should find out how we will.
Reply:I do not believe in god, and there is still love and meaning in my life. Perfection is only in the eye of the person who thinks something is perfect, and go tell the firefighters from 9/11 that there are no heroes! See what they have to say on that matter. You do not need to have a god to have hope! You do not need god to have any of these things, you just need good hearted kind caring and brave people for them to exist.





But none of this matters because no matter how much irrefutable proof they come up with to prove there is no god, the fanatics will always be fanatics, and you will never be able to convince them there is no god.
Reply:I don%26#039;t understand why some Christians HAVE to believe every word the bible says. I bet if Jesus were to show up right now, he would rip the bible in half and tell of his followers how stupid they are. The bible was written by MAN. Stupid, dispicible, egotistical, man. It was written by the same types as The Book of Mormons. Have you ever really studied where the bible actually did come from...do you know who the Council of Nicaea where? FIND OUT! We did evolve and we DO have a soul. The Christian story IS a fairy tale but Christ Consciousness is not! Heaven and Hell are states of consciousness that one lives in based on how awakened the person is. When we die, our energy or soul, returns from where it came from.


Read %26quot;A New Earth%26quot; by Eckhart Tolle.
Reply:If I were proven wrong, and there really is a God, whether in the form of a man or not, I would stand corrected %26amp; strive to be more humble in the afterlife of heaven.





If I were proven wrong, and the existence of sentient beings are here for one time only, well I guess my lifes plan has a few things missing %26amp; I%26#039;ll feel regretful, but eventually let it go.





If I were proven wrong, and we really do Reincarnate, I%26#039;m glad I behaved in a giving manner towards my fellow beings %26amp; choose to wait a few years before I return to live another life to learn, experience, %26amp; evolve.





If I were proven wrong, and we will always continue to exist in an energy form, constantly changing %26amp; in motion til our form takes another solid state, I think I%26#039;d feel free, free of constraints, free to be, free to evolve.





If I were proven wrong, and we actually don%26#039;t exist at all, our conscience beliefs are mere illusions from some other entities creative conscience, I%26#039;d be glad I existed at all, even if, in a moment of my own figment of time.





Whatever the truth is, someday we%26#039;ll discover it each on our own, but I don%26#039;t believe it will change the course or path we are already on, that change %26amp; that knowledge will be revealed when we ourselves are ready.
Reply:It%26#039;s extremely hard to give up on a belief unless you come to feel that you were cheated by what you believed was real. It%26#039;s a very painful process and in general does not turn out well on the emotional level.





I used to be a Christian but as I learned more and more about different civilizations and philosophies, it came to me that my faith in God was symptomatic of a need to believe in something in the after life. I just replaced it with other things that I slowly took as viable possibilities.





You can accept to be proven wrong without suffering when you know that your own truth is safe in your own heart and mind. It%26#039;s up to you if you want it to change or be replaced, you have to be aware that every truth is different from a person to another - no matter how scary that sounds, because once you become completely open-minded you realize that a world without belief is similar to the infinite void of space that drives people insane...





...metaphorically speaking.





Have faith!
Reply:I don%26#039;t believe in God. Were I proven wrong I%26#039;d happily accept my incorrectness and move on. My lack of belief is based solely on lack of evidence... so if I were presented with strong enough evidence I%26#039;d change my views.





I%26#039;m also a former Christian (albeit skeptically) and my transition to atheist was at times painful but I now far prefer my worldview to what it was before.





Many atheists enjoy finding their own purpose in understanding how the universe works though sciences like physics math and biology, or contemplation into subjects like philosophy and using this knowledge to better themselves and making others%26#039; lives more enjoyable while we%26#039;re here. In my view, we only get one shot, might as well touch as many people and learn as much as we can while we%26#039;re here. Lack of God doesn%26#039;t imply lack of purpose or meaning, it just implies a different source of meaning. Love is likewise no less significant just because it may come from a purely chemical reaction. Sentience, life, and emotion are gifts regardless of where they come or don%26#039;t come from.





Enjoy life! Whether or not a God exists we should all do our very best to enjoy this life and not worry about death! What will be will be!
Reply:If I was proven wrong I would be right, because I have said that 99% of the ideas of 99% of the people in 99% of history was total nonsense, so why am I likely to be any different. What I believe, I believe because it makes my life worthwhile, not because some %26quot;scientist%26quot; tells me it is so. Evolution is a theory and science is a tool. If you say the celcius scale leaves no room for souls, God or an afterlife, you would sound pretty silly wouldn%26#039;t you? Well what more is evolutionary theory than the celsius scale? They are just ideas, tools and descriptions, not meant to be belief systems or carnival gypsies that answer all questions. Science typically asks more questions than it can answer, and if that causes some people to fall into skepticism, well more fool they, because there are many ways the mind can answer questions besides science: meditation and contemplation, imagining and daydreaming, creating and interpreting and yes, revelation and prayer.





The fact that I have no use for psychics doesn%26#039;t make me more logical and people who use psychics fools (no matter what I might think about it.) In reality it is I who have closed my mind, and they who are the explorers and maybe discoverers.





So don%26#039;t confuse belief with being unscientific. They are different tools to understand the world.
Reply:I%26#039; agree with your assessment about life and the perception between a believer in the afterlife and the nonbeliever. Even though in life they we have similar experiences our realization is that once death happens it is not the end. But merely a doorway into eternity.





It shows that time truly is passing for us. Consider our existence in our passage through time. We existed only as genetic potential in our ancestors and parents genes. Then when we are born we exist in our physical bodies. When we die we exist in memories, in monuments left by us. In time and space of events that cannot be changed. We are a permanent part of history. So that even the past is present with us in the landscape of time that man exists on this earth.





Those are the passages of time that we %26quot;exist%26quot; in. This is not belief but reality. I cannot give up my belief it it based on observation that is based on reality that is the truth.

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